is there a point to mining the obelisk because i've made it to the 4th layer but i just die so quick when mining it that its starting to feel like a red herring
I believe it gives x1.25 resources, meaning something that gave 4 before now gives 5. It is very important, so I recommend bringing the gen over and setting up the water machine and the power cable so you can reopen the door to it from the inside. After that just mine till you get low and hop back to the main area to recollect what you need and refill and repeat till you finish it. This will allow you to go at it multiple times per run and help alot I hope.
You'll want the generator and, preferably, the protective suit you can get from the quarry. The fourth layer is the last one. If you need time to think, press on "running" to pause.
Lol I almost "ragequit" (I was like "dam i'm gonna have to do it all again) after first death not realizing that my character remembers what happened. (I didn't read the log and was playing normally from start) I guess I will still have to do it all again but seeing that it's faster is better ig. xd Anyway I noticed that they still scavenge even though they already learned where the water is. Maybe "fix" that. :)
Yeah, the scavenging was an oversight more than a bug. Pretty sure you're the first, maybe second person to comment on it. I will be aiming to correct it soon :)
I'm in love with this game! The way you integrated the progression through rebirths with the lore, from new texts adressing having done things before to grouping tasks together to make it easier. This is genuinely so well designed, you don't often see that. Hats off
When trying to stop just before the completion of "Disconnect Rover and Leave" in Laurion, it instead completes the "Disconnect Rover Charger", and nearly-completes "Leave In Rover".
And once I reconnected the Rover Charger...
Thankfully, this bug isn't gamebreaking at all, cuz you can just Disconnect Rover Charger again to "unbug" this action and complete it
That's more a lack of a feature than a bug. Right clicking a combined action completes all actions except for travel actions and the final action. And combined actions are currently only completable once per loop, so if you complete one action in it, it won't be readded until you loop. I do plan to upgrade combined actions to support this, but it won't be a bugfix, it'll be a big update.
if you're in a situation where you need to grind experience, it's more than likely that there's an alternative somewhere that doesn't require experience to be effective
Install the generator at Talos. Head to Larion. Take a single power cell from the rover. Use the cell to power up Larion. Stock up on water bottles from the Rover Purifier inside of Larion, as well as Ration Packs. The single power cell will give you more than enough time to get 5. Make sure to turn off auto-use water bottles. While the water bottles are generating, go outside and pick up the fuel cells for the generator. Once you're fully stocked, return to Talos and stock up on water pouches and food items inside.
Now you turn on water bottles and turn off water pouches, then head to the dam. Pick up the water bottles and glacier samples from the crates. Unless this is your first time picking up the crates, it should be a net positive water accumulation, especially if you have unlocked the combined action for them. Then, just head straight to Astrape.
It might take a cycle or two to get to Astrape with this setup, but after a couple cycles, especially once you unlock the Dam>Astrape combined action, it's faster than stopping at Santorini instead.
most things you don't really need experience, and the attempts you've already had before should already be enough whenever it is useful
if you're in a situation where you need to grind experience, it's more than likely that there's an alternative somewhere that doesn't require experience
It was planned to be an idle game when I first made it, but I removed the idle tag after v0.2 because it became obvious that it wasn't going that direction anymore.
there's probably a bug, grouped actions bypass requirements, like when you get installing of solar panels on your rover grouped up, you don't need the mount for them anymore, it still installs them
That's not a combined action bug, it's just a bug with the specific action outside Talos (the one outside Laurion works fine). But thank you for the report.
Love this game, have been playing since v0.3, minor bug: sometimes, if you hover over the "play" button of an action, then scroll, the box describing the action, time taken, etc will stick to the cursor, and will persist when hovering over other actions. This can be fixed by hovering back over the action then off, but if you leave and reenter the area (through loops or just traveling) the box will stay there until you restart the tab.
Ahh, I've been looking for that tooltip bug for a while. People occasionally report it, but never know what caused it to get stuck in the first place. Thanks, and glad you're enjoying the game!
It's not something I've looked into. I won't say it's impossible, but I'd definitely be hesitant about maintaining it on that many platforms. If it does happen, it likely won't be for a while.
1. The description says there's a prologue + three chapters, is each facility a "chapter" with the "prologue" being Talos?
2. Is it currently possible to go straight from Talos to Santorini? I can't quite seem to make it without picking up the fuel and such from Laurion, I'm assuming there's something at Astrape I can inspect that shaves off enough time. (Haven't gotten far in that one cuz it's biiiiig lol)
It's triggered by getting exploded by Santorini (just continue on into Santorini after getting across the dam the first time, there's basically no way to avoid it).
Might also be triggered by seeing the crater, if you do something crazy like waiting 5 minutes before going up the hill.
1. Yes, there are currently a total of 4 facilities, including Talos.
2. It is possible, but mostly depends on having greater familiarity with the travel actions. I'm not sure what number of completions are needed to make it possible, but I think most people prefer going to Laurion first and doubling back through Talos anyway, to get more supplies.
Even if you can make it to Santorini from Talos without stopping at Laurion, you shouldn't anyways. Since Santorini is on a fixed timer, and you can only get so much done in one loop anyways, stopping at Laurion and performing a handful of tasks will actually save you time in the long run once you get serious with Astrape, even if the Santorini portion will take you an extra couple loops because of it. Astrape is unforgiving in its early attempts, so getting the time of gathering resources and fiddling with systems shaved down during the Santorini portion will save you tons in the long run. Trust me...
Personally, I beat the game in 28 loops, went through Laurion to Santorini twice, but when going further to Astrape, I first unlocked the "Talos to Santorini" path by upgrading my rover in Laurion first. The path becomes viable after you used it the first time because the energy cost gets reduced from 2 energy/sec to 1.5 and is significantly shorter
I've been playing through the game over and over because my browser keeps deleting my save and actually it's pretty fun.
I've been finding that I need to make the trip from Talos to Sanorini aided by the resources from Laurion about three times before I can start heading directly for Santorini right after leaving Talos. Once you can do that, there's no reason to visit Laurion again except to complete blue actions there, because Santorini has enough fuel to fill up your supply and then some.
Such unique and interesting mechanics — I adore how each location has its own gimmick and gives you different objectives to overcome, and how the tone shifts as you progress.
It feels like being Robinson Crusoe but in a fantasy genre. At first, you're scared and trying hard to survive, but later, you feel confident thanks to your knowledge and past experiences to ta
The game's title speaks for itself, so I really suggest giving it a try!
And below this will be minor spoilers — don't look if it's your first playthrough :/
question and spoiler ---> is it possible in curent version of game somehow save Santorini?
Absolutely love this and games like it, on loop 24 and just now managing to explore the inside of Santorini
Any recs on free fleshed out games like this? A loop mechanic not required.
Similar games ive played is Increlution, a campfire one, and one about being in a spaceship with micromanaging the resources to restore the ship (if anyone knows the name of this game specifically lk)
After completing all game content and 100%ing the persistent actions, I FINALLY went back and opened the first artifact's containment crate a second time... and it still said "it's the only thing you've found so far which is different from the first time".
It's nice that it's possible to go back and check that so late now (it didn't used to be), but it should probably have a different message. 😛
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Great mechanic ! Loved it !
Warning : SPOILERS below.
is there a point to mining the obelisk because i've made it to the 4th layer but i just die so quick when mining it that its starting to feel like a red herring
I believe it gives x1.25 resources, meaning something that gave 4 before now gives 5. It is very important, so I recommend bringing the gen over and setting up the water machine and the power cable so you can reopen the door to it from the inside. After that just mine till you get low and hop back to the main area to recollect what you need and refill and repeat till you finish it. This will allow you to go at it multiple times per run and help alot I hope.
You'll want the generator and, preferably, the protective suit you can get from the quarry. The fourth layer is the last one. If you need time to think, press on "running" to pause.
Lol I almost "ragequit" (I was like "dam i'm gonna have to do it all again) after first death not realizing that my character remembers what happened. (I didn't read the log and was playing normally from start)
I guess I will still have to do it all again but seeing that it's faster is better ig. xd
Anyway I noticed that they still scavenge even though they already learned where the water is. Maybe "fix" that. :)
Yeah, the scavenging was an oversight more than a bug. Pretty sure you're the first, maybe second person to comment on it. I will be aiming to correct it soon :)
I'm in love with this game! The way you integrated the progression through rebirths with the lore, from new texts adressing having done things before to grouping tasks together to make it easier. This is genuinely so well designed, you don't often see that. Hats off
Genuinely one of the best games I've ever played in this genre!! I can hardly wait for the next update!
These updates have been amazing new content, keep up the great work
I don't know why but this is giving me MOTAS (Mystery of Time and Space) vibes, which is awesome
When trying to stop just before the completion of "Disconnect Rover and Leave" in Laurion, it instead completes the "Disconnect Rover Charger", and nearly-completes "Leave In Rover".
And once I reconnected the Rover Charger...
Thankfully, this bug isn't gamebreaking at all, cuz you can just Disconnect Rover Charger again to "unbug" this action and complete it
That's more a lack of a feature than a bug. Right clicking a combined action completes all actions except for travel actions and the final action. And combined actions are currently only completable once per loop, so if you complete one action in it, it won't be readded until you loop. I do plan to upgrade combined actions to support this, but it won't be a bugfix, it'll be a big update.
OK
See ya in the next major content upgrade :)
how do you get to astrap with the shortcut
if i put the water purifier on i run out of power before i can reach
if i put the generator on i run out of water before i can reach it
Use generator.
Talos > Dam > Satori (possible after learning Talos > Larion > Dam > Satori).
Satori > Astrape > Dam (grind Astrape - Dam back and forth).
So the shortcut is useless for now because by the time you can take it you have finished the game.
if you're in a situation where you need to grind experience, it's more than likely that there's an alternative somewhere that doesn't require experience to be effective
If you haven't finished Larion yet, it might help bridge that gap to do so.
Install the generator at Talos. Head to Larion. Take a single power cell from the rover. Use the cell to power up Larion. Stock up on water bottles from the Rover Purifier inside of Larion, as well as Ration Packs. The single power cell will give you more than enough time to get 5. Make sure to turn off auto-use water bottles. While the water bottles are generating, go outside and pick up the fuel cells for the generator. Once you're fully stocked, return to Talos and stock up on water pouches and food items inside.
Now you turn on water bottles and turn off water pouches, then head to the dam. Pick up the water bottles and glacier samples from the crates. Unless this is your first time picking up the crates, it should be a net positive water accumulation, especially if you have unlocked the combined action for them. Then, just head straight to Astrape.
It might take a cycle or two to get to Astrape with this setup, but after a couple cycles, especially once you unlock the Dam>Astrape combined action, it's faster than stopping at Santorini instead.
thank you ill try that later
something i think this game could really use
a way to loop attempts
just repeat previous attempt over and over to grind up experience on certain tasks
most things you don't really need experience, and the attempts you've already had before should already be enough whenever it is useful
if you're in a situation where you need to grind experience, it's more than likely that there's an alternative somewhere that doesn't require experience
Try using other methods that are available i only grinded water damn part 2 times to get there other things i only followed the flow
it is an idle game letting it ru n idle for hours is kinda the way they are suppose to be played
It was planned to be an idle game when I first made it, but I removed the idle tag after v0.2 because it became obvious that it wasn't going that direction anymore.
fair enough
there's probably a bug, grouped actions bypass requirements, like when you get installing of solar panels on your rover grouped up, you don't need the mount for them anymore, it still installs them
That's not a combined action bug, it's just a bug with the specific action outside Talos (the one outside Laurion works fine). But thank you for the report.
Love this game, have been playing since v0.3, minor bug: sometimes, if you hover over the "play" button of an action, then scroll, the box describing the action, time taken, etc will stick to the cursor, and will persist when hovering over other actions. This can be fixed by hovering back over the action then off, but if you leave and reenter the area (through loops or just traveling) the box will stay there until you restart the tab.
Ahh, I've been looking for that tooltip bug for a while. People occasionally report it, but never know what caused it to get stuck in the first place. Thanks, and glad you're enjoying the game!
I believe you can also open the PDA to fix it, that worked for me the only time it happened
whatever the issue was, it seems to have been fixed. I'm no longer having the scroll issue.
Think a release on GOG is possible?
It's not something I've looked into. I won't say it's impossible, but I'd definitely be hesitant about maintaining it on that many platforms. If it does happen, it likely won't be for a while.
Two questions:
1. The description says there's a prologue + three chapters, is each facility a "chapter" with the "prologue" being Talos?
2. Is it currently possible to go straight from Talos to Santorini? I can't quite seem to make it without picking up the fuel and such from Laurion, I'm assuming there's something at Astrape I can inspect that shaves off enough time. (Haven't gotten far in that one cuz it's biiiiig lol)
You should be able to chart a course directly to the Dam from Talos. I dont remember what triggers the event to be able to get it tho
It's triggered by getting exploded by Santorini (just continue on into Santorini after getting across the dam the first time, there's basically no way to avoid it).
Might also be triggered by seeing the crater, if you do something crazy like waiting 5 minutes before going up the hill.
1. Yes, there are currently a total of 4 facilities, including Talos.
2. It is possible, but mostly depends on having greater familiarity with the travel actions. I'm not sure what number of completions are needed to make it possible, but I think most people prefer going to Laurion first and doubling back through Talos anyway, to get more supplies.
Even if you can make it to Santorini from Talos without stopping at Laurion, you shouldn't anyways. Since Santorini is on a fixed timer, and you can only get so much done in one loop anyways, stopping at Laurion and performing a handful of tasks will actually save you time in the long run once you get serious with Astrape, even if the Santorini portion will take you an extra couple loops because of it. Astrape is unforgiving in its early attempts, so getting the time of gathering resources and fiddling with systems shaved down during the Santorini portion will save you tons in the long run. Trust me...
Personally, I beat the game in 28 loops, went through Laurion to Santorini twice, but when going further to Astrape, I first unlocked the "Talos to Santorini" path by upgrading my rover in Laurion first. The path becomes viable after you used it the first time because the energy cost gets reduced from 2 energy/sec to 1.5 and is significantly shorter
I've been playing through the game over and over because my browser keeps deleting my save and actually it's pretty fun.
I've been finding that I need to make the trip from Talos to Sanorini aided by the resources from Laurion about three times before I can start heading directly for Santorini right after leaving Talos. Once you can do that, there's no reason to visit Laurion again except to complete blue actions there, because Santorini has enough fuel to fill up your supply and then some.
The game is fire!
Such unique and interesting mechanics — I adore how each location has its own gimmick and gives you different objectives to overcome, and how the tone shifts as you progress.
It feels like being Robinson Crusoe but in a fantasy genre. At first, you're scared and trying hard to survive, but later, you feel confident thanks to your knowledge and past experiences to ta
The game's title speaks for itself, so I really suggest giving it a try!
And below this will be minor spoilers — don't look if it's your first playthrough :/
Glad you're enjoying the game, but no, there's not currently.
Absolutely love this and games like it, on loop 24 and just now managing to explore the inside of Santorini
Any recs on free fleshed out games like this? A loop mechanic not required.
Similar games ive played is Increlution, a campfire one, and one about being in a spaceship with micromanaging the resources to restore the ship (if anyone knows the name of this game specifically lk)
The spaceship one could be lost in space. What's the campfire one?
Its A Dark Room (https://adarkroom.doublespeakgames.com/)
Also checked, the space one i played is a bit more different, it didnt use pixel art.
But i think i did play Lost In Space, still gonn give it a replay tho since its been so long
I'm guessing Crank.
Checked and its not Crank
It had an overview of the actual ship and you also managed people from cryopods to manage resources like food and power
I used to be in its discord but i cant find it
After completing all game content and 100%ing the persistent actions, I FINALLY went back and opened the first artifact's containment crate a second time... and it still said "it's the only thing you've found so far which is different from the first time".
It's nice that it's possible to go back and check that so late now (it didn't used to be), but it should probably have a different message. 😛
I apparently can't install the quick-cycling filter into the water recycler while it's installed at Laurion.